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Beatrice Marovich's avatar

I sometimes feel like selling out is another name for a perennial problem; like whatever it is that happens in order to become more proximate to power. Gen X called it selling out, but there’s something about human dignity across time that has to refuse to eat shit, maybe. Related perhaps: do you think that part of your interest in Faust that he’s such a sell out?

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Great essay.* I have a few passing thoughts and one substantial comment, which, in the style of our age, I will frame by giving my identity position, which is to say: I am a handful of years older than you: I am pure Gen-X with no millennial contamination whatsoever.

And my first thought is that, perhaps because of that, I would never, ever think of writing an essay using these terms at all. You write that you "identify more with Gen X—above all in my reluctance to embrace these fake labels." It had never occurred to me to think of that reluctance as a generational marker rather than as a personality trait or intellectual stance, which is perhaps an example of it, but (perhaps as a pure Xer) I avoid them enough that I wouldn't use them, save, as in this comment, in response to someone who does. Whether the *reason* for that is my generation is an.... uninteresting question I'll drop here. But I wouldn't do it.

My more substantial comment is to build on something that you, I think, imply, but don't quite say (and I'm not sure even about the intentionality of the implication, although I think it's latent in what you wrote). And that is that the old "don't sell out" position was, in fact, a linguistic conflation of two very different stances. The worse version was *anti* popularity: and as such was just as formed and directed and constrained by the market as those who were selling out was, since after all to say that something is bad simply by virtue of the fact that it is popular is to give the market aesthetic control precisely as much as those who sell out do, just in the opposite direction. This is the group you are gesturing at when you say that "often unattractively snobbish in its assumption that mass appeal actually required artistic inferiority"; I am just going farther: they are not simply *unattractively* snobbish, they are precisely as much slaves of the market as those who sell out, arguably in a more risible fashion since they often don't even know it. The better version, however (what you call "the moment of truth in Gen X’s disdain", which I am claiming is in fact a subset of anti-sell outers, who rather than having a moment of truth were more or less right) is not *anti* market but indifferent to it, recognizing that the market is sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but that either way to pay attention to it is (as you correctly not) degrading—of work as well as of life. So rather than say that the anti-sell out position was partly right and partly wrong, I would say it was divided, half just right, half just wrong. I agree, however, that it was a privileged position: one I, too, am fortunate enough to be in, but recognizing it as such I can't share the disdain that many have for those who lack that privilege. So perhaps I will say that the better anti-sell outs *are* only half right (although the worse ones are in fact all wrong), since their disdain is, in a capitalist economy, simply an inadequate reflection on their own privilege. They are entirely correct in their sense that selling out is degrading; but they are insufficiently mindful that escaping degradation under unfettered capitalism is always a matter of privilege and luck, and is rarely permanent.

Two more passing thoughts:

First in regards to the parenthetical "Surely this, even more than the lack of an editor, is why every Substacker is so appallingly long-winded—the guilt!": on the contrary! I am long-winded because I have a lot to say, and/or as an aesthetic choice: but whatever it is, it has absolutely nothing to do with guilt and absolutely nothing with being market-driven (my substack is free, and the length is almost certainly a negative if anything). So surely not! (And don't call me Shirley.)

And finally I just want to give a specific amen and bravo to this passage:

"It is a critique of a society that has systematically destroyed almost every safe haven where we can operate by non-market values… Increasingly, being given space to do valuable work in a dignified way sounds like an impossible utopia—and not just in journalism. The market did that. Unfettered capitalism did that. It took away our dignity and purpose. It degraded us and continues to degrade us. We should not have to live like this."

So say we all.**

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* One of my tiny rebellions against selling out is thinking of what I (and writers I admire) write on Subtack not as "posts" but as "essays".

** Yes, I know, not your franchise but I don't think there is Star Trek lingo for "amen"—or if there is my Trek Fu is too weak to know it.

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